>dexx@home.com wrote:>>> I just heard a really creepy story about a small town in the US>> Midwest from someone who lived there (which is actually HERE): Dead>> babies (murderered?) Tales about "schools and convents haunted by> the ghosts of babies whose skeletons were found in the spaces between the> walls" have been passed around for generations. Officials said they were "horrified" at the discovery and said it revealed "a darker past in Ireland," a country often haunted by its history of abuse within powerful church institutions. It's an old, old ghost story. A petition has been started imploring the Irish Prime Minister for Justice and Equality to launch a full investigation into the mass grave containing nearly 800 children or babies in the backyard of the Catholic childrens home in Tuam, Co Galway. Charlie Flanagan, minister for children and youth affairs, said Wednesday night that there was a "cross-departmental initiative underway" to determine how to react to allegations. . The Homewas one of many of its type in Ireland at the time: a social service run by a Catholic religious order which imposed the harsh cultural mores of the time and focused on imposing penance and punishment for what the women had done. By overlaying a map of the site as it looks today, she discovered that the place where the bones were discovered by the two boys in 1975 correlated exactly with where a sewage tank had been located during the building's workhouse days. He could still be alive or he's in the grave.'. And then of course we have the testimony of Maria Monk, who, even though some sources say has been countered and proven false, is not proven false at all. ", or So I Was Told. William Joseph Dolan was born on May 21, 1950, to a young single mother called Bridget Dolan. Getty . Many of the. Pressure is growing for a proper investigation. --Regards Ray "'I'm really the ghost of old Kate Batts'" D. There is a true story resembling this, usually called theButter Box Babies scandal, about babies being buried behinda maternity home in Nova Scotia. Could that be it? We are no longer accepting comments on this article. And, interestingly, makes the original statement about special areasin graveyards at least a 'P'. On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:13:06 +0000 (UTC), On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:52:00 +1300, chris 'fufas' grace, | I suppose it's quite possible that there were areas in. Their mothers don't know where they're buried. With so many babies perishing, the nuns had used the septic tank as a convenient depository, turning it into a mass grave. nuns buried babies in walls. Immurement, or the complete enclosure of a human being into a small space with no escape, was historically a common form of punishment across cultures throughout history. There was no love, no nothing, Mr Haverty told CBC Radio. My god is smarter, wiser, more god like than your god., great stories. UCD historian Lindsey Earner-Byrne who has researched this area extensively has said that Tuam was not exceptional. Update March 5, 2017: After the story first broke in 2014, many reports, including this report and two stories two stories published by The Washington Post claimed that the bodies of 800 babies had been discovered in a septic tank, however at that time, the number of bodies found had no actual count, The Washington Post reported. Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN? Yep. Meanwhile, the fundraising efforts are continuing by the committee of local historians. ', When I phoned a spokesman for the Bon Secours Sisters, she was charming, but said that the nuns were old now; they aren't able to talk to the media and there is really nothing they can do. Interesting that this was in the news today. Report: Priests, Missionaries Sexually Abuse Nuns http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010320/ts/vatican_abuse_dc_3.html, -- ___________________________________________, Michl Trtmn http://www.troutman.org http://www.zen-data.com. The family of Shubenacadie Residential School survivor Frank Thomas buried his ashes near the site of the former school Wednesday. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Phil "unless the actual-physical-nunnery part was F*lk *t*m*l*g*", >This story has been making the rounds since my mother was a child (and she>would be 85 if she were still alive). Seems possible the change was Vatican II-era, whichwould make your friend's recollection correct at least as far asthat detail goes. Simon.-- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | There's a *reason* why talk.politics. In it, they said that they were "shocked and deeply saddened" about the reports, and said that they would co-operate with plans for a memorial. A Galway County Council archivist told her that none of the names appeared in any nearby cemetery. Special Report By Martin Sixsmith Yep. http://www.monmouth.com/~ssteinhauer/bckgrnd.html, http://www.english.upenn.edu/~traister/hughes.html, http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=, http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010320/ts/vatican_abuse_dc_3.html. She told me I would be charged for each record. Officials said. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. From 1925 until 1961, an order of nuns calls the Bon Secours Sisters ran an institution at this building in Tuam in Co Galway. : > : > I bought a non-fiction paperback book about poltergeists and other paranormal: > haunting-type phenomena back in 1969. That is an orban legend (to my understanding of the term).It is told about any number of Nunneries. 'There was nothing you could do. Sheriff's officials say six people including a 17-year-old mother and her 6-month-old baby were killed in a shooting early Monday at a home in central California, and authorities are searching for . I wonder how we could research itfurther. I have a lady friend who left a cloister after being a nun for more than 10 years. Then she asked me did I realise the enormity of the numbers of deaths there? Smythe-- "I was a sneaky little fuck, once." Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Murdaugh is heckled as he leaves court, Ken Bruce finishes his 30-year tenure as host of BBC Radio 2, Ukrainian soldier takes out five tanks with Javelin missiles, Family of a 10-month-old baby filmed vaping open up, Missing hiker buried under snow forces arm out to wave to helicopter, Hershey's Canada releases HER for SHE bars featuring a trans activist, Moment teenager crashes into back of lorry after 100mph police race. Once, regular houseshad family graveyards where they buried infants that didn't survive. So,if the nuns at a convent took in a woman whose baby died, they'd probablybury it on the convent grounds. Only 50 records of burials at Tuam have been located; others "may have been lost or destroyed over the years," according to a March 2019 interim report. Ireland's once-powerful Catholic Church has been rocked by a series of scandals over the abuse and neglect of children in recent years. It led to emergency baptism of sick infants in all major Mainline Churches. . I had written about one such case in my book Philomena, later made into a film starring Judi Dench. The Tuam home was demolished in 1972 and the nuns departed without any mention of the dead babies. I don't understand how anyone could just cover over all that and forget that all that happened. No. of at least 700 children buried from 1925 to . This is a contentious issue. Ivarfjeld have you considered your comment? Phil-- )) (( Phil Gustafson Urban Legends FAQ: http://www.urbanlegends.com C|~~| Java FAQ: http://www.afu.com `--' , >dexx@home.com writes:>>I just heard a really creepy story about a small town in the US>>Midwest from someone who lived there (which is actually HERE): Dead>>babies (murderered?) So, there can easily be babies in convents without any nuns or priestsbeing biological parents. I fully agree with Lars-Toralf Storstrand. The Home was run by the Bon Secours Sisters, a religious order of Catholic nuns, that also operated the Grove Hospital in the town. 26 September 2021 Shaun Willcock. Then why would anybody think it was standard practice in the old days. The remains of a forbidding 8ft wall nearby were a clue to the place's history. Nearly 800 children died at the Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in the town of Tuam, in western Ireland, according to death certificates discovered by a local historian, Catherine Corless. The Irish Minister for Children, Charlie Flanagan, has called the revelations about Tuam and other mother and baby homes 'deeply disturbing' and 'a shocking reminder of a darker past'. Jesus wore homespun cotton or linen or wool, no jewels, no palace well, you get the picture. I doubt they put the babies or miscarried fetuses into theregular trash, but years ago who knows. IN THE SPACE of two weeks, the story about a mass grave at a former mother and baby home in Galway has grown from something that was just talked about locally in Tuam to a worldwide news story. Catherine managed to get a map of The Home back from when it was a workhouse in the late 19th and early 20th century. An average of 22 children died every year at The Home, meaning one died every 2.3 weeks on average. Pedophilia is typically a male crime: women commit less than 10% of such crimes against little children. They were all old with halitosis and long yellow fingernails.>If memory serves, these Handmaidens of God (nuns) were so horribly>undesirable, no one could possibly have believed a word of the rumors>being circulated by our>Protestant friends in the area.>. Created and approve by. Juni 2022; Beitrags-Kategorie: evander childs high school famous alumni; Beitrags-Kommentare: . A week later [my contact there] got back to me and said 'do you really want all of these deaths?' **CoyoteBlue32**Your hunka-hunka burnin' monkey-lovin! Have never been anywhere near Belfast: And thus are unlikely to have been exposed to Irish propaganda of any: description. Or Jack Chick? (LogOut/ (Mitcho tries to convince AFU that he is a reformed character nowadays), >Vivienne "weren't nuns once the major if not only providers of Homes>for Wayward Girls?" No more controversial than any other one, though. So, there can easily be babies in convents without any nuns or priests being biological parents. Infant mortality was often five or six times worse in the Church's homes than in the rest of Ireland, and judging by accounts of what went on there it is hardly surprising. Discussionis best done somewhere else. -- Joe Bay FLX NAVCancer Biology NUC MEMLeland Stanford Junior University LIF CNTNike Educational Facilities and Sweatshops Inc VEH ATM, >I seem to remember reading that a lot of this stuff >has its roots in anti-Catholic propaganda in much of the English speaking >parts of the world in the 1700s and 1800s. Abortion is wrong, regardless of what men might think about this. A lot of babies die in hospitals and there are miscarriages and thingslike that. : > Sorry. Why not include the Buddhists and the Hindus, and quite a few Atheists with the right values on these issues? Given the seriousness of the issue, Government Minister Kathleen Lynch has said that the vaccine trials should form part of any forthcoming inquiry. Thumbs up! The newly-appointed Minister for Children Charlie Flanagan has said that a number of Government departments are carrying out a review to work out how best to investigate the matter. These false brethren has made the Reformation null and void. It seems to be just one of those ugly things that people say. Immurement. But as the previous poster said, no nuns or priests as parents in thisone. strava photo with stats; mygovid unable to verify identity. A substantial number of these women may well have come to thenunneries pregnant and disgraced and in need of refuge, or evenrespectably widowed and pregnant but without means of support - thesewomen's children would presumably be raised with the orphans and thewomen would work for their keep. This is only one of multiple examples of nuns being sexually exploited in Vatican approved institutions. : Except that both the person who told me the story and the person who. Especially if the case dates from the 1940s orbefore. The statement was notable in that it did not confirm or deny the existence of the mass grave in fact, it didn't give any detail at all about it. The Inquisitr is a registered trademark. They kicked it around, but when we looked at it we saw it was a child's skull. Yes, we do. Members of the Tuam Home Graveyard Committee Source: Niall Carson/PA Wire. News of the mass graves at Tuam finally made the newspapers last week, but I had heard of the site and visited the shrine five months ago while researching a BBC TV documentary about the estimated 60,000 babies that the Church took for adoption in the 1950s and 1960s, many of them sent to America in return for large payments disguised as 'donations'. In 1871 Sister Josefa Cadena, a strict Dominican nun, was sent by Pope Pius IX to reform the monastery. As Burke lays trapped in a coffin in the graveyard of the abbey grounds, Irene wanders the halls alone by lantern light. There was no investigation of any kind into who was buried there and what had happened to them. We know theyre there now., Beta V.1.0 - Powered by automated translation. The thought of them has remained lodged in my memory. There are mass graves all over Ireland. They deserve to have a name, the day they were born, the day they died. After it closed in 1961, the home lay vacant until it was demolished in 1972 to make way for a new housing estate. Katherine Zappone stood in front of a hastily convened news conference in Dublin and confirmed a horrific, longstanding rumor that the bodies of several hundred babies and children had been. The book is long gone. nuns buried babies in walls. Run by the Bon Secours order of nuns, the Tuam home opened in 1925 and closed in 1961. It struck me as a fairly typical anti-Catholic story. However it only really began to gain attention when The Irish Mail on Sunday ran it as a front page story on Sunday 25 May, focusing on the mass grave rather than the fundraising appeal. (The 16th century, folks). The investigators established the chambers were originally used to treat sewage. Really?I was told by an interesting teacher [1] that Jacobian slanghad "nunnery" as an ironic euphemism for a brothel.r. [1] 9th grade English; during my tenure with her class, she appeared asthe lead in "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie", and led her class tobelieve that she *did* play the bath scene nude. -- America: where you can still eat the meat! Note the absence of a Catholic spin on the story. The claims came to light after Corless obtained death records for the home and cross checked them with local cemetery records. "Brooklyn, New York, USA | -Timothy McDaniel, to whom neatness countsNo relation.http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html. Were they killed? She requested the death certificates for all of the children who died at The Home during its 36 years and, after being passed from office to office, was given a list of 796 children from the State agency who kept the records. Copyright 2023 The Inquisitr. Legend has it, the Devil's baby is buried at a cemetery in Jackson County! I do also live inside a parish were nuns are fighting a man in court, they accuse for sexual related crimes. People will be looking; they deserve to know. I had nightmares over it.'. The records kept by the Catholic nuns said causes of death included TB, undernourishment, pneumonia, and causes indicating neglect. 'They walked away and left the babies there. Don "Not the best of books but I have it" Whittington, -- This is what goes on while we wait for a legend todiscuss or a clueless newby to savage.---Casady's take on things. I wounder how the Pope got rid of Limbo Was is not there in the first place?. "I am horrified and saddened to hear of the large number of deceased children involved and this points to a time of great suffering and pain for the little ones and their mothers," he said. Its horrific what they did, Ms Corless said. It was so bad that you couldn't even put nappies on them. In total, she procured 796 certificates and they revealed the children had died of measles, tuberculosis, pneumonia, or simply malnutrition. I always discounted>the stories as I was positive the nuns were too busy staying up all night>dreaming up difficult exams and other things to make our lives miserable>to have trysts with the old priests. So, they consider it better that the child will be born, baptized and then killed 'It was awful. But no investigation was conducted at the time. At a time when the Vatican has taken its most concrete steps to address a long ordeal with sex abuse and coverups, a growing chorus of nuns is speaking out about the suffering they have endured. Published on 5/26/2015 at 8:26 AM. So is there an inquiry? > The stories also had it that the infants were the result of> sex between the nuns and local priests. In the same way they stopped the no meat on Fridays and now only during lent. The girls were denied basic medical care and refused painkillers for even the most difficult birth because the pain was 'God's punishment for your sin'. Are 12,000 miles from Belfast.>2. IE 11 is not supported. 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Indeed, history is full of terrifying tales of people who were bricked up or buried alive. Investigators said that DNA analysis confirmed that the discovered remains were of children between the ages of 35 weeks and three years. There were babies dying every day.' have their babies or with pregnancy-related issues. "They worked there their whole lives and they . People who lived near the home said they have known about the unmarked mass grave for decades, but a fresh investigation was sparked this week after research by local historian Catherine Corless purportedly showed that of the hundreds of children who died at the home, only one was buried at a cemetery. I am a medievalist, and the'rumour' is pretty common all over Europe, and especially in England, where itgained a lot of strength following the dissolution of the monasteries (andnunneries) by Henry VIII. Are the Stories True That Nuns Had Babies and Buried Them in the Walls Written By Mattner Dented1941 Friday, January 14, 2022 Add Comment Updated 11.14am IN THE SPACE of two weeks, the story about a mass grave at a former mother and baby home in Galway has grown from something that was just talked about locally in Tuam to a worldwide news story. Grim reports that nearly 800 dead babies were discovered in the septic tank of a home run by nuns has set off a round of soul-searching in Ireland and sparked calls for accountability from government and Catholic Church officials. The names of some of the 796 children who. Only a fool would buy it. Melodramatic perhaps, but sometimes that's what it takes. Sgt. Have never been anywhere near Belfast>And thus are unlikely to have been exposed to Irish propaganda of any>description. It was made up so that people would pay for the indulgences that would free the souls of their loved ones. Comments? The stories about the sewage tank began to make sense. They stressed that the records were all handed over to the local authority now within the HSE when The Home closed in 1961. Some of them were put up for adoption - which, some contend, was done without the consent of the parents -while some remained in the care of the nuns. "From the abnormally high death rate amongst this class of children one must come to the conclusion that they are not looked after with the same care and attention as that given to ordinary children," Fianna Fil TD Dr Conn Ward told the Dil. June 27, 2022; how to get infinite lingots in duolingo; chegg payment options; nuns buried babies in walls . ", or So I Was Told.>> >> Phil "Interesting Facts Our Teachers Told Us" Edwards>>Really?I was told by an interesting teacher [1] that Jacobian slang>had "nunnery" as an ironic euphemism for a brothel.r. Ceteris paribus, mutatis mutandis, quibus rebus factis prima luceGallia divisa est in tres partes, yes indeed.

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