I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Wow. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. I dare say probably not. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. 3. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! I was taught that I needed to let God change him. I was taught that. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 7 You hypocrites! Basically he was just marketing for his college. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. 35. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. They had made an idol out of church attendance. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. 46. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Hope you have a great day! 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent XII. N/A Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Everyone has sent in their life. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. The membership Romans 5:8 is about salvation. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. I am also against body piercings as well. 33. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. 12. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. The members were so sweet to us. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Only the KJV will be used in this group; Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. So spontaneous but like it was planned. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Independent Fundamental Baptists 10. You are correct! My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. All I do is reply to comments. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches The church never knew our problems but god did. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Your happy mega churches do too. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. He is the Head of the church. LOL. Its never spoken but up there to read. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. God works in mysterious ways. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. Laws In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. We had no money. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 15. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Wow! 7. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. Some of these are very much right on the money. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I have no opinion on this I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. You got me I am an IFB college grad. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Stil fit. I can not forgive sins! Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 41. What an extensive list. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Baptist 17. For they dont practice what they teach. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. Gospel Furthering Fellowship Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. This is an assumption.. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 6. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Hey there. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Apart from Him we can do nothing. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse? 26 You blind Pharisee! If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction Does he always heal people no. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. N/A On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist Hypocrites! I dont know what Daves intentions were. These are right on the money! The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Jesus does that. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. They are counting on your service and tithe. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of I only hope that you will see it before too long. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We cant save people, only God can. Do you find them so humorous ? You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. insidious I like that word. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Thank God for grace! (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. What a stupid thing to say. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. His son a child murderer. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network Dont throw your pearls to pigs! I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. I know the answers now. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. N/A From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. 42. I love this!! Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Matthew 6:14-15 Some true, some not so much. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small.

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