So I feel that well If I did was good, except that I shouldnt have set gone out to a military place. The financial elite then move into the vacuum, establish central banks, and issue debt-credit to the devastated populations. You're a great American. She said: I have very few regrets. Del. Denying a final victory over a dedicated and skilled marxist enemy was a recipe for the murder of our men. Christopher Andersen, Citizen Jane (New York: Henry Holt and Company. "VIET NAM: A repeat scenario was played 10 years later under another banker-picked Democratic administration. I sang a song. I spent many years its when I made coming home talking to American soldiers, who had been in Vietnam and the things they told me were heartbreaking. [1] Cited on November 24, 2004. The charges against Fonda went beyond the notion that she was an apologist for the mistreatment of American prisoners of war. This is and now she's apologizing on a book tour. If a prisoner tried to escape, it is quite understandable that he would probably be beaten and tortured., Also Read: How Jane Fonda Explains 'Hanoi Jane': 'Regret to My Dying Day', Even she had to apologize years later for that gun picture True. After we published Peter Braunsteins article on Jane Fonda in our July/August issue, perhaps 60 people sent me this story. tips@mediaite.com. There is certainly no doubt that the country was basically split down the middle on the idea of our military presence in SE Asia, and as Americans we were all free to protest the war to our hearts' content. Again and again against incredible odds, and at great cost in American casualties, U.S. forces stopped the enemy; but were prevented by President Truman from administering the coup de grace. They realized that the war was wrong, that we werent wanted there. I don't want people putting words into my mouth, saying "you're going to tell us all these bankers and financiers are Jewish", for instance. GRUMMETT: Don't worry about it, you know? And I was I was like a limp noodle what I had experienced and what I had seen, I just I wasnt able to resist, they said were gonna take you out here today. Fonda has refused to tell her side of the story to historians investigating her role, purportedly because she was saving her story for her own memoirs, which are expected to be published soon. But because of the nature of Vietnam, McNamara said to me, if wed known what we know now it would have we should not have gone out. Truman refused. Kellysaid she was among those at Fox News sexually harassed by Ailes. . I am going to let the extract stand as it is, containing just enough truth to be uncomfortable, I think. That's an apology. AND And that we probably couldnt win it not because they werent a fabulous soldiers. Market data provided by Factset. CHRIS WALLACE: Your most famous protest was 50 years ago when you went to North Vietnam at the height of the war there. I remember one retired lieutenant colonel describing a conversation he had with an angry trooper about the treasonous behavior of Jane Fonda in the midst of the 1968 Tet Offensive. And you were photographed sitting on an anti aircraft gun. Maybe. I agree with TheWrap's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy and provide my consent to receive marketing communications from them. Heres a transcript of her remarks so you can judge for yourself. Ramsey Clark went to Hanoi during the war. 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She called our POWs hypocrites and liars and referred to their torture as understandable. Over the years, as Fonda reinvented herself as a fitness maven and again a movie star, she apologized many times for the antiaircraft gunphoto. Just before that experience, she said the words that continued to play through her head were: All men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. T. Jefferson. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it.. Us veterans will never forget or forgive her posing on a North Viet anti-aircraft gun, regardless whatever else she may or may not have done. Please try again later. In July 1972, during the waning days of U.S. military involvement in Vietnam, actress Jane Fonda incurred the enmity of untold thousands of Vietnam veterans and their families (as well as service members for generations to come) when she arrived in Hanoi, North Vietnam, and began a two-week tour of the country. Especially considering that the Republican Party has obviously now been captured by the same forces (the 'Illuminati', hehehe). [3] And she referred to the POW's as hypocrites and liars.[4]. Fondas wide-ranging response went from apologetic to defiant and everywhere in between: CHRIS WALLACE: Your most famous protest was 50 years ago when you went to North Vietnam at the height of the war there. Email us. NORTH: In fact refused to apologize for the POW meeting, which was tantamount to, basically torture. North Vietnamese press reported and Fonda later confirmed that she made several radio announcements over the Voice of Vietnam radio to implore U.S. pilots to stop the bombings. The POWs are beaten. Kelly attacked Fondas Vietnam War history to defend questions about plastic surgery. No license is granted to the user of this material except for the user's personal or internal use and, in such case, only one copy may be printed, nor shall user use any material for commercial purposes or in any fashion that may infringe upon Fox News Network, L.L.C. Youre gonna come through it, okay. And the more they tried, the more I. JANE FONDA: I know what Im doing. "KOREA: Shortly thereafter Truman, with Congress averting its eyes, committed U.S. troops to Korea. She went to Hanoi that year to tour villages, cities and infrastructure. A series of photos of her sitting at an NVA anti-aircraft battery earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane and the undying spite of Vietnam veterans everywhere. There were also rumors she turned over secret messages from POWs to their captors. And, as she does, each POW palms her a scrap of paper with his Social Security number written on it. Now, aid and comfort can be measured a lot of ways. Hanoi Jane told 60 Minutes that photos snapped while she sat on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal and the largest lapse of judgment I can imagine. Though she did say, meeting the locals, other artists, and intellectuals were well worth it. . Due to the pressure of so-called "rationalists", Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution forbids Congress from excluding Communists, Anti-Semites, or Globalists from its membership, allowing the control that you decry. Sadly, the Founders also mixed a great deal of Greco-Roman Humanism with this heritage, allowing room for much of what you decry. Considering the admonition about Caesar's wife, perhaps HNN should remove you as an intern. During the photo sessions during her visit to Vietnam, she strongly believed were setups and a grave mistake on her part. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, She said in a 1973 interview elaborating on the hypocrites and liars statement that it would be understandable for the North Vietnamese to torture POWs who tried to escape. Now, I leave it NORTH: Well, yes, as a matter of fact I think she is. Manywere there to protest the Vietnam War. Heres the picture that was used to shut shut down American plants, critics, and there were millions of them, called you a Hanoi Jane and said you were a traitor. CHRIS WALLACE: So when you say it was a terrible mistake. 1991) Pages 225-229. WebDaughter of legendary Henry Fonda, actress, and activist was one of the most outspoken people against the Vietnam War at the age of 34. When Rockefeller said what he said about the Cultural Revolution (in an Op Ed that I read long ago, attesting to its existence), he was addressing the Communist system as a Fascist system with potential for realizing corporate/banker control much more than as a "Marxist" system. She sided with the Viet Cong as revolutionary liberators. And she travelled to Hanoi at a time when North Vietnamese soldiers were killing Americans. Kelly responded with a cannon by bringing up the time Fonda posed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. Even so, I'm going to keep an eye open to purchase one of the urinal mats with her photograph depicted upon it. Rudi Bakhtiar jumped from CNN to Fox News in 2006. I mean again, I'm not trying to be pedantic about it, but an apology is, "I'm sorry for what I said. No article of ours gets hundreds of letters, but this one did, very few of them friendly. Did our government lie to us during Vietnam? One of the times it did, Im happy to say, was with Keith Nolan, the author of several books on the war, most recently Ripcord , a superb account of the 101st Airborne in the conflicts last great battle. Fonda hasapologized for the liars and hypocrites statement, which she said she made out of anger that the Nixon Administration was lying about the extent of the POW torture for propaganda purposes. Content and Programming Copyright 2005 Fox News Network, L.L.C. Fonda traveled to Hanoi, Vietnam, to protest the Vietnam War, but she did not do most of the things the post claims. [2] Peter Collier, The Fondas; A Hollywood Dynasty. MacArthur asked Truman to permit Chiang Kai-Shek's troops to fight with Americans against the Red Chinese. And heres Cat Ballou, the beautiful daughter of Young Abe Lincoln, of Mister Roberts, beaming down from a machine designed to kill them. You have "War Stories" coming up. MacArthur soon realized he was expected to win battles but lose the war. This thread gives me a great chance to ask veterans a question that has always bothered me. Rumors spread and still persist that she betrayed them by accepting secret notes and then turning them over to the North Vietnamese. And, you know, I think they thought, Oh, shes this white privilege rich, famous daughter of all of that stuff. They hadnt been able to vote on the virtues of the conflict, and they found themselves in mortal peril in the midst of an ugly, painful ordeal that a lot of vocal people back home thought was a criminal enterprise. Aristide was an ENEMY of Communism, hence his downfall. Greta Van Susteren -- who had been one of Ailes' most stalwart defenders -- left in early September 2016 after saying that Fox had "not felt like a home" for years. One presumably claimed to have been struck by her, while another claimed to have had his confidence betrayed to his Communist captors. SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Jane Fonda says she is sorry for some of her actions during the Vietnam War. The cameras flash. It is always distressing to find American citizens who benefit from the protection and assistance of this government lending their voice in any way to governments such as the Democratic Republic of Vietnam distressing indeed, said State Department spokesman Charles W. Bray, according to a July 1972 Reuters story. Dr. Rockefeller certainly did not defend Communism as a "Jewish" system, since it is the Hebrew Bible that was the basis of our Common Law, and hence much of our Constitutional Order. The chance to remake oneself is a universally acknowledged strength of this Republic, and the Republic itself has done it often enough. Many of our veterans still call her Hanoi Jane thanks to her radio broadcasts: True, but she doesnt just have the nickname because of the radio broadcasts. She was dubbed "Hanoi Jane" after traveling to the Communist capital. The cover called her Ms. MacArthur was denied his request to attack enemy forces massing across the Yalu border in preparation for attack. I am trying to show up now.. Quite the contrary. quote: Fonda was a political activist in the counterculture era during the Vietnam War. Even Trotsky, whose philosophy I do not advocate, could see this relationship between the capitalists and the communists clearly (hypocritically denouncing it, since he went along with it). Jane Fonda was more than just an actress born to a wealthy and prominent Hollywood family. I mean, you know, of all manner of slings and arrows were thrown my way. It was the last day of my two week time there. Heres her explanation, from 2011: I had decided to do the broadcasts because I was so horrified by the bombing of civilian targets and I wanted to speak to U.S. pilots as I had done on so many occasions during my visits to U.S. military bases and at G.I. I mean, the reality is, there were 24,000 American troops on the ground in South Vietnam. She has to be a murderess too. Megyn Kelly ended her 12-year run with Fox News in early 2017 in exchange for a weekday show at NBC. If a prisoner tried to escape, it is quite understandable that he would probably be beaten and tortured.. Support with a donation>>. And by the way, did our government lie to us during Vietnam? re: Jane Fonda visiting BR this weekend Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:43 am to Chipand2Putts. The alleged mission was to prevent communism from spreading to South Korea, a peninsula pointed at now disarmed Japan. After all, she is an American; surely shell carry the message home to the families that their husband or son is alive. Her suit was later settled for a reported $20 million. And the question I have is 50 years later, how do you look back on that particular chapter? But she was advised by other activists to focus her political energies, deciding to go all-in as an impassioned voice for the antiwar movement. I mean, he realized that. Mr. Nolan wrote something that helped me better understand the fury of this sort of reaction. Forget? I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. Pleasant Michigan, where Mary Hersberger (Capital University) and Jerry Kembcke (Holy Cross College) both gave papers on Fonda. We're going to take them out. Now, I can't judge her heart but it's a different manifestation of Christianity than John Paul II (search). I plead with him, You have to be sure those photographs are not published. Id been getting pretty sour about the incensed patriots who would curse me and my family and confidently speak on behalf of all veterans living and dead, and the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress, to declare I was a disgrace to America for running that storythen conclude by smugly assuring me they would never read it. It sounds loony until you actually think about it - and the general thesis of "no-win wars" (i.e. Whether Fonda wanted to shame troops is subjective. Why? But literally working hand-in-hand with the enemy to promote their cause to a worldwide audience was not protected by the First Amendment then just as it is not protected now. Have a tip we should know? Donald HANNITY: That's quite often in my case, by the way. And I refused to have them scare me away from being actively against the Vietnam War. I went to a session at the 2003 Peace History Society Conference in Mt. As I tell my students when we discuss the proper use of testimony, we probably ought not to listen to Jane Fonda on things dealing with foreign affairs but if our goal is to rid our aging bodies from the ravages of cellulite then Fonda can be considered an authority! Dave In her 2005 memoir, My Life So Far, Fonda wrote of the infamous photo this way: Still,for some veterans, no apology from Fonda will ever change their views of her as an adversaryof America and the troops during wartime. Jane Fonda is a star of stage and screen whose career began in 1960. For example, she went on Radio Hanoi a number of times, while our troops, your friends, were being shot at by an enemy in Vietnam, saying our POWs were in good health. : Yes, that one story was true. Her attackers renewed an old strike against the image of an actress who grew up as the daughter of the All-American Henry Fonda, yet became synonymous with the various rebellions of the Sixties. officer gets an idea. Im not you know, they all went to jail. And I didnt even think and they sang me a song and Im made me laugh. But now, very quickly, treason is the only crime defined in our Constitution. SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Jane Fonda says she is sorry for some of her actions during the Vietnam War. And heres Cat Ballou, the beautiful daughter of Young Abe Lincoln, of Mister Roberts, beaming down from a machine designed to kill them. Many Americans disapproved of Fondas comments JANE FONDA: It was a terrible mistake. But because of the nature of Vietnam, McNamara said to me, if wed known what we know now it would have we should not have gone out. Liberals in America's streets "protested" our victories and exulted in our defeats - thus, in patriots' eyes, giving the war a raison d'etre. [2] While criticizing America, she made laudatory comments about the Soviet Union. We now see a pattern of sedition/treason. By July 1972, when Fonda accepted an invitation to visit North Vietnam, America had been at war overseas and with itself for years. Respected online resources such as Snopes, Truth Miners, and Urban Legends have all cited key persons in the infamous email as having refuted its claims. Due to actions and images some people consider unpatriotic or treasonous, she earned Never. and booed people attending the event, according to the Frederick News-Post. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. I hardly even think about where I am sitting. It is possible that the Vietnamese had it all planned. Her lawsuit started it all: Former Fox host Gretchen Carlson claims Ailes repeatedly sexually harassed her. ( New York: G.P. She said: I have very few regrets. And definitely not fonda Fonda. Thank you, sir. The 85-year-old Fonda has had a lengthy career as a Hollywood icon that includes her current turn in the film 80 For Brady, an equally long stint as an outspoken liberal, a fitness craze that began in the infancy of home video, and much more. But she maintains she was not a traitor by speaking out against the war or trying to turn soldiers against it, because she still believesthe U.S. government was lying to them. Many Americans traveled to quote: Fonda was a political activist in the counterculture era during the Fonda was lambasted for her trip to North Vietnam in 1972 during the Vietnam War. Maybe John Nolte of Breitbart had the best of intentions, but his essay We Should Accept Jane Fondas Apology About Vietnam is an ethics mess. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. I suppose that since I am never really planned to be an Intern next semester (not in a full time sense, save as a researcher), and since my term is essentially over, I can join the conversation as Joe Public. Kelly was defending herself after Fonda said over the weekend that the question was so inappropriate and that Kelly is not that good an interviewer.. And I didnt even think and they sang me a song and Im made me laugh. Fonda shakes the last hand, then turns to the officer and gives him the fistful of messages. LBJ and Congress share responsibility for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, with its dubious basis, and everything that followed. Only the bankers know. And four months later, the bombing stopped of the dikes. JANE FONDA: it was a mistake to go, I never wanted to go to any military installations. CHRIS WALLACE: Who the people in the Nixon administration? She apologized for being on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun site. But Jane Fonda: Cancel my subscription!, In replying, I discovered that the Good Book notwithstanding, a soft answer turneth away wrath no more than zo percent of the time. One showed her applauding North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners. February 25, 2023 / Jack Marshall. }); We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. It never happened. Yet, despite treason in high places American troops - outnumbered ten-to-one - were winning the war. Fonda said that whileshe may have been tricked into taking the picture, The buck stops here. The story surfaced on the Internet in 1999, and my guess is that it will live there a long time. 5:15 After numerous apologies over four decades, its time to let Hanoi Jane Fonda off the hook for Vietnam. I dug in my heels. It meant re-taking the same bloody ground over and over again. In 1972, Fonda toured North Vietnam, where she spoke against U.S. military policy in the country. It is nothing more and nothing less than the full culmination of Greco-Roman Humanism as it has defined itself throughout the thousands of years. In 2015, about 50 veterans stood outside theWeinberg Center for the Arts in Frederick, Md., to protest Fondas appearance there. Putnams Sons. The day anti-Vietnam War protesters tried to levitate the Pentagon. By denying their mistreatment or not investigating their treatment,in an effort to sway public opinion to her own perceived vision of the national interest, she did harm to her countrymen in captivity. He hadnt liked the story but at least was willing to discuss it. Nixon has responsibility for everything he did or didn't do on his watch. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. The POWs who were there have denied that this ever occurred. All were hired by Roger Ailes, the former network boss who exited in August 2016 amid a sexual harassment scandal. Screw you. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out." Number two: You've got the POW meeting, where she sits down and holds a press conference for propaganda purposes with these prisoners of war. "Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped." Bates (private citizen), What do all you old sober sides make of this thesis? At that time, over 60,000 American soldiers had lost their lives, and almost one million Vietnamese. NORTH: As a matter of fact, no. However, it was a bit too long, and Dr. Shenkman needed it shortened in the interest of time. I remember one retired lieutenant colonel describing a conversation he had with an angry trooper about the treasonous behavior of Jane Fonda in the midst of the 1968 Tet Offensive. Please, you cant let them be published. She claimed she was sexually harassed by correspondent Brian Wilson and later spoke out against Fox News' culture after the Ailes scandal broke. Its going to look like I was trying to shoot down U.S. planes! This "police action" quickly developed into a full-blown but undeclared war. I did not know then. NORTH: Irrefutable for the three things she did, and I defined for you the rule, the actual constitutional language defining treason. Some lawmakers calledher actions treason. He was Americas most famous pediatrician. wars the intention of which is not to win but to bleed) is quite plausible. But he never met Jane Fonda, and he has no idea how the maddening tale attached itself to him. But They hadnt been able to vote on the virtues of the conflict, and they found themselves in mortal peril in the midst of an ugly, painful ordeal that a lot of vocal people back home thought was a criminal enterprise. Here is my best, honest recollection of what took place. WebJane Fonda & TheVietnam War. I mean, that's what you and I do with our wives when we say something that we shouldn't have said. As anyone who knew or worked with me in those years knows my heart has always been with the soldiers. Thats all the ground troops were going home. You know, we can we can scare her, and boy did they try? Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. In 1972, the Academy Award-winning actress and activist traveled to North Vietnam and was photographed laughing and clapping along with Vietnamese soldiers. She was a symbol of a divided nation. But Jane Fonda: Cancel my subscription! Nobody remembers, nobody cares. America. The Ms. , we thought, would signal a bit of ironic distance from the broad, ingenu- ous affection contained in Miss America., It evidently didnt. And it was a terrible mistake because of the image that it showed, which was not at all what the reality was. Hows this for a story? HANNITY: All right. JANE FONDA: it was a mistake to go, I never wanted to go to any military installations. "CHINA: Following WWII, Mao Tse-Tung, financed by the international banks, led his Chinese communists in an armed conflict against nationalist China under Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek, America's ally against Japan. Shewas active in the Black Panthers and marched for the rights of American Indians, soldiers and working mothers. Kiran Chetry was a Fox News host from 2001 to 2007. Jane, now 84, is The war was being fought by the air during during the Nixon administration. One of the times it did, Im happy to say, was with Keith Nolan, the author of several books on the war, most recently Ripcord , a superb account of the 101st Airborne in the conflicts last great battle. I mean, the reality is, there were 24,000 American troops on the ground in South Vietnam. The people who are speaking out against the war are the patriots. She said the radio addresses were the only way to get access to American soldiers, because she was barred from meeting them at their bases in South Vietnam. She and actor Donald Sutherland started an anti-USO troupe to counter Bob Hopes famous shows for the troops. Thats all the ground troops were going home. She posed on an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down our American pilots. In 2005, she apologized again on 60 [3] She praised the USSR for their support of the Viet Cong. The one story that was true never touched the question of whether or not she directly participated in war crimes. I mean, it depends on what you want to know. Here's what she's got. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. I mean, that's like the bank robber saying, "I'm sorry I got caught.". Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. YOU'VE REACHED YOUR MONTHLY ARTICLE LIMIT. The Washington Post spent that day with Fonda, following her and a dozen or so students to Fort Meade in Maryland, where they planned to hand out antiwar leaflets to soldiers. No article of ours gets hundreds of letters, but this one did, very few of them friendly.

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